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Debate Score:82
Arguments:28
Total Votes:118
Ended:12/19/09
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Is torture ever justified? 4B

Yes

Side Score: 47
Winning Side!
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No

Side Score: 35
5 points

Torture is possibly the most infamous idea ever invented by humankind to cause destruction, death, bitterness, and war. Yet it is sometimes our salvation which makes me think that this grave injustice has to be justified. Do i support the methods of torture no but i do recongize and in a degree respect what it accomplishes in its product yes. I would rather subject one indiviual to all the cruelties of humankind then suffer with the deaths of millions. If torture is used to find out information that would protect and save the masses then it has to be done no matter the cost of the victim.

Side: yes
4 points

torture is justified under very certain and understandable circumstances. yes, the constitution does state that we have a right to trial and no cruel punishment, but there are circumstances. if there is a threat against the safety of this country and law enforcment has a source in possession and they need him to tallk i believe it is very justifying to find answers by torturing. why should we care about someone who wanted to hurt and kill thousands, maybe millions of our people? law enforcement should torture a terrorist or someone who knows information until they give all information needed. it's ok to harm a violent killer or conspirator for the sake of many other innocent lives.

Side: yes
4 points

Torture is one of man's most horrific and abysmal creations but even with that in mind it is still a necessary evil. We all know that terrorism is very real and there are many bad people out there that will try to do others harm, because of this we cannot just let them do as they wish and wait until they have already set their plans in motion to try and stop it. Tortue is one of the worst creations of mankind but it was created for the purpose of combatting another evil that must be stopped. We try and pretend that we ourselves are good and just but if we always use these clean methods then we will never be able to defeat the evils that wish to harm us. When a terrorist has hidden plans to try and commit a grave atrocity we need a way for him to have to tell us otherwise we will never be able to stop it. We sometimes must do unsavory things in order to secure the greater good after all.

Side: yes
4 points

Torture may be morally wrong; it may be a challenging act to perform because of the pain it causes. However, it can be justified. The old saying, "the end justifies the means", may be cliche, but it's true. If there is a plan to kill millions of people, and there is a captive who knows how to stop it, and torture is the only tool left, then so be it. Torturing one person who wants to take the lives of others to save those lives is justified. You can say that it's wrong, that they've stooped to the level of their own tortured victim, but if it gets the job done, then it should be used. There are two possible outcomes; in one, the people in charge refuse to subject pain to a person who is willing to kill and innocent lives are lost. Or, in the other, one horrible person is put in pain, but no one dies in the process. The moraly right decision is the second.

Side: yes
3 points

It's hard to say whether torture can be justified or not. Both sides having very oposing views, a person choosing one would have to think of their own sense of justice. Is torture an inhumane process or is it a tool to get information that can potentialy save hundreds? I find myself in the middle, but for the sake of argument I say yes, a very meek yes. Torture can be a "tool" that, used correctly, can save the lives of many, but at the cost of another's. Since I am American saving the thousands does outway the one.

Side: yes
1 point

It's interesting to say that the use of torture can be a "tool" to save hundreds, and while this may be true, you make the point to say that you are on the fence on whether you agree with it officially or not with a "meek yes."

Side: yes
2 points

While torture is inhumane and violent, it can be justified and possibly necessary in certain circumstances. When torture is used by morally corrupt people to just mess with people, it is socially accepted as wrong and disgusting. But when government forces use techniques of torture to obtain information to obtain information vital to national security, it is justified, but that does not mean it is morally correct or socially acceptable. Though some may disagree, torture is a just evil, meaning that although it is seemingly wrong, sometimes it is just necessary. Torture has led to the unveiling of plots to kill thousands of people, while the process of torture only hurts one. It is a decision worth making; make one suffer, save a thousand.

Side: yes
2 points

Take into consideration the Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Those who take part in disgusting acts of torture should pay the consequences. If you feel it isn't justified, one of your points may be that it's too brutal, but I feel it's simply a way to make someone learn a lesson. It wouldn't be a cycle because, if you think about it, people who punish those who torture most likely work as someone who benefits the community. Also, know that physical torture isn't the only type of torture. In some cases just watching something take place does the trick. Think about this: You're driving down the street, hurrying to the movies to get there in time to get popcorn and candy, when you hit someone with your car and put them in the hospital. You wouldn't have to be hit by a car to learn your lesson. Perhaps you're introduced to the family of the individual you put in the hospital. After seeing the pained look on their faces, the agony you would feel would make that amount of torture an appropriate consequence.

Side: yes
1 point

What is torture, torture can be distributed into many categories. Torturing a baby by moving his little rattle away from him whenever he is in a learning process to crawl, it can be considered into torture for the baby but it does teaches the baby how to crawl, by doing so you can help the baby learn something he/she could have learned time from but in a more harder way. I think in this situation torture is justifiable. When you torture someone Who is innocent enough then torture is not justifiable, you can solve a problem in a lot of different ways but torture is not an option. Torturing someone to save a life can be justified, if you want to know who did the murder and torture is the only way you can give justice to the mudered peron, then you can use this method to investigate about the case. torture is done to a lot of people upon us but it does not mean that it is justifiable under harsh circumstances.

Side: yes
1 point

I think that torture can be justified only on rare occasions. Like if it's a matter of national securtity. Say, a terrorist has just been captured, and you know that somewhere in America a bomb is about to go off and many people will die if you dont get some kind of imformation from this person. You only have a certain amount of time before the detination, and the fugative refuses to make any bargins, or reveal any information. When it comes down to it you have to take a different, drastic approach to the problem. You have to torture the person to gain information. All other options have been exploited, this is your last and only option, unless ofcorse you choose to do nothing and let the bomb go off. I believe that only in this kind of circumstance is torture justified. It has to be a last resort.

Side: yes
1 point

Is torture the right decision? no. but can it be justified? yes. theres a very thin line but torture is justified in some situations. when torture saves the lives of thousands then it is justified but it should always be the last resort for making someone think the same way you do, after logic and reasoning.

Side: yes
1 point

Those who partake in repugnant acts of torture, have consequences to deal with in the end. If someone were to do something so wrong, torture could then be justified. For people who are innocent, torture is not even an option. For those that have taken the lives of many people, torture can then be justified because of the horrid acts they participated in.

Side: yes
3 points

When faced with an extremely conflicting and critical situation, many people would resort to torture as a means of getting the information they need. Choosing this side is unnecessary as there will almost always be a way to get what you need without sinking as low as to torture another human being. Bargaining or reasoning are equally if not more effective than torturing. Character is who we are when the situation is difficult to deal with, not when everything is okay. Even if you're the good guy or his arch nemesis, resolving to torture someone is going against who you are. Human. Sometimes, we may not choose the right path, but the times we do make up how we truly are.

Side: No
davida(6) Disputed
3 points

Bargaining or reasoning may not always work, because there is only one thing that most humans value more than anything, their life. Torture is a form of bargaining, it's bargaining for their life. If somebody is going to cause death to millions of people, then why would they uncover it for just some simple bargaining or reasoning? The one thing they would protect is their life, and torture is what puts that one item at stake.

Side: yes
3 points

Torture is an inhumane act that could never be justified. There is no reason anyone should be treated like an animal and go through pain and suffering. The person on the other end of the immoral punishment wouldn't feel that they deserve such cruel treatment no matter what crime they commited. They don't have the right to treat someone else with punishment they wouldn't want to experience themselves. Even if the person being punished harmed someone in the same way, it makes the torturer equally guilty if not more. Torture can never be justified and who ever does such a crime should be punished in a civilized way.

Side: No
3 points

We are all human beings and we should treat each other as such. Amnesty International explictly prohibits the technique of torture. For example the Bush administration faced alot of heat on the issue of water-boarding of "alleged" terror suspects. Using torture on someone isn't humane, no matter what they've done or what they're suspected of doing because in the end we're all human.

Side: No
davida(6) Disputed
1 point

Although torture is inhumane, so is the plot to kill others. If somebody is plotting to kill thousands of people, that isn't human, is it? In this circumstance you must fight fire with fire.

Side: yes
3 points

People commonly say desperate times call for desperate measures. In my opinion torture should never be an option. Water-boarding and other controversial treatments are uncalled for. A project between Harvard Law School and Harvard Kennedy School of Government issued a report known as "Preserving Security and Freedoms in the War on Terrorism". This report suggested the restrain of torture. Torture should be prevented and put aside. So, people should do the same and put aside what has taken place and find a way to reason together.

Side: No
3 points

Torture violates the dignity of the human kind. It's a terrible way to be punished or as a way to extract information from people. Obviously you wouldn't want to be tortured yourself, so how could it possibly be justified for a criminal. There are many other forms of punishment that will teach a criminal a lesson without it involving torture. It's hypocritical to torture someone because they did something bad, but then be the person to administer the torture just doesn't seem right.

Side: No
3 points

The word "torture" sounds horrible itself. I wouldn't say torture is justified, but I do believe in karma. If your daughter is tortured to death, and you find the killer, what would you do? I don't believe people torturing others is just, but I do believe whatever you do to others will inevitabley come back to you. There may come a point in time when people think torture may be just, because they are trying to get information, but what if torture doesn't work? Will you just kill them? You can use other ways to get information out of them such as bribes.

Side: No
3 points

Torture is morally wrong. It is understandable that it does need to be used depending upon the situation. Like if there was a serious threat to US about being bomb, and they cough somebody that knew information about it, but wont talk. Torture only could be the last option in a sense. That still doesn't make it right though. A person inflicting pain on another human being on purpose is inhuman and goes against God. Then you have to consider the fact that people sometimes may use it on a unjustified reason. They may do it because they find it to be “fun”, and enjoy watching a person die a slow, painful death. Torture is just wrong, plain and simple. It's uncivilized.

Side: No
2 points

I don't think justice is ever justified. People usually tortue people to get information,just to have fun, or even get back at that person. Say that the government tortured a person that they thought had some vital information about a bombing threat on the U.S.,and then after the torture they found out that the person was never involved in the planning. The government just scared someone's life because of a mistake. Even though you torture a person, you might not still get that information that you want.There's other ways in order to get either get information or get back at a person instead of having them go through pain and suffering.

Side: No
kaylam(9) Disputed
1 point

You have some valid points, but torture isn't used only to get information or take personal revenge. When you learn a lesson, it's the pain and suffering that makes you regret what you did and want to change your ways, whether that thought or feeling comes naturally or is provoked by something else. There are also different levels of torture, and not all of them involve physical pain.

Side: yes
-2 points
davida(6) Disputed
3 points

What about federal agencies using torture as a means for information to secure the safety of the public. Not all torturers' enjoy torturing people, but acknowledge that it is better to make one person suffer and save the lives of many.

Side: yes
2 points

When a man threatens to kill thousands of people we need a way to stop them before they can put their plans into action. While it may be inhumane we must do what it takes to make sure that our citizens are protected.

Side: yes