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 Are women and men equal in today's United States? (147)

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Are women and men equal in today's United States?

Respond to this question with a clear position statement. Give a reason or reasons for your position. Below are some questions to get you started thinking about the issues involved--they are FAR from the only questions/issues that this topic might raise, and are only intended to get the conversation rolling. =) Remember to visit ProCon.org to gather evidence for your position as the debate gathers steam, and to CITE the source of ALL evidence, wherever it comes from! Also remember to observe the rules of a classroom discussion--keep it civil!


What would it mean for men and women to be "equal"? Can the sexes be equal without the same legal privileges? Can they be equal without the same social privileges? Is equality guaranteed in US law? Does it matter? What does "separate but equal" mean? Where does this phrase come from? Does this idea have any merit where men and women are concerned? If not legally, then socially? What is the "glass ceiling"? What is the "glass cliff"? Is it actually true that women make less money than men for the same work? Do men have the same privileges to care for children and their families and to tend to their own physical and emotional health as women do? What percentage of household work do married or cohabitating men and women each do? Does the school system privilege one sex over the other? Does the legal system privilege one sex over the other? What are the statistics on violent crime against both men and women? How do these statistics impact our understanding of equality between the sexes? Are there inherent biological differences between men and women (besides sexual characteristics, obviously) that make it impossible for them to ever be truly "equal"? How do popular culture and the media reinforce our beliefs about the characteristics and the proper roles of men and women?

 

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26 points

Everyone says that men are physically stronger, thus, women are already set up for discrimination and unequal opportunities. Because of women's lack of strength, they don't get some of the jobs, like a construction worker, that men can easily get. A lot of the time women are passed up because they are quieter and have more internal control which presents them, again, as weak and incapable.

Supporting Evidence: Women and Men- Different but Equal? (www.meaningfullife.com)
12 points

I agree; just because women are quieter doesn't mean that they less capable than men. In fact, they often demonstrate more self control than men.

7 points

I completely agree, since women have a "lack" of strength I think men should use their strength to help protect women's character

Supporting Evidence: Women & Men - Different but Equal? (www.meaningfullife.com)
4 points

Definitely. While men and women have different strengths and weaknesses, both genders should use their strengths to help the other's weaknesses. Discriminating against their weaknesses is just flat-out bad for both genders.

1 point

I agree; I think that women can also help men when men are in trouble or in a temper. In this way, both are balanced.

cloutierj18(37) Clarified
6 points

Another place there is a flaw in equality is in the sports field. It is always big news when a men's sports team wins, but women are hardly ever congratulated if they get a win for their team. No matter who is playing, women or men, if they are your sports team, they should be congratulated for it.

Supporting Evidence: Why Aren't Womens Sports Equal to Mens? (blogs.seattletimes.com)
5 points

Women also faced some inequality in terms of social standards. Some behaviors that women indulged in were frowned upon, yet it was socially acceptable for men to indulge in them. For instance, in the 1920's, flappers began to drink, cut their hair into boyish bobs, and smoke. As a result, they were looked down upon by the older generations. However, men got away with all of these behaviors. Nowadays, women can indulge in these behaviors, but there are still people who frown upon them.

5 points

I agree. The fact that some people think men are stronger than women proves there's discrimination.

5 points

I agree with your argument completely! I think that the two most common areas of inequality is in the workplace and in sports.

5 points

I agree with all of you, It doesn't matter about you physical characteristics, if you set your mind on something you will accomplish your goal and become a great person.

1 point

I agree; I think that women are starting to see the advantage of following a goal, because they are making some advances in scientific fields and in other jobs that men would usually have. Sometimes, they may become discouraged due to social and/or family pressure.

cloutierj18(37) Clarified
4 points

In general, women are treated differently from men. Although it does sometimes happen, men aren't mistreated as often as women. Whereas women are victims from a lot of men taking advantage of them. An estimated 1 in 4 women have been victims of sexual assault but only 1 in 6 men have been victims.

Supporting Evidence: Sexual Assault, Domestic Violence Statistics (centerforfamilyjustice.org)
1 point

I agree with you because there are a lot of cases when men take over jobs. For example, in the NFL all the referees are men. In addition, many woman sports like softball and volleyball aren't that popular in the U.S as like big sports like basketball and football.

1 point

I disagree. What if men were the superior gender and should be paid a lot more than women in this world.

cloutierj18(37) Disputed
1 point

What if men were the superior gender? Why should they get more pay though? Just because they have more to offer doesn't mean that they should get more benefits. I believe that everyone should be equal because although we have less to offer in some categories, in other categories we excel.

AnjiniC(40) Clarified
1 point

Just as another thought, men are not completely equal to women. Men often have stereotype images of how they should be, and this limits them. For example, some men may not want to be teachers because the job is too "feminine", or enjoy "girly" pursuits such as knitting for fear of being teased. Men are also thought of as being "violent" and "emotional", which is not always the case. I think that society has made generalizations about both genders, and this holds them back. If people removed these views, men and women could behave as they wished without feeling pressured.

1 point

I agree. there are problems with both men and women, and the only way they can be resolved is if we work together. Without teamwork, neither gender can grow.

1 point

I agree so there is some separation there but because women also can't be viewed as too masculine, then they don't get those jobs so distribution of jobs ends up fairly even.

1 point

I agree with Anjinni because a lot of teachers are female and not a lot of men will want to have jobs.

0 points

This is an amazing statement on why women should have equal rights to me, that's why I completely agree with this argument. Women have always been know as the person who stays at home and cleans. Why can't women be known as the powerful do gooders?

26 points

In my opinion, I believe that men and women are not treated equal in the united states. Our country has definitely became much better at this issue, because at the start of the country women were just meant to stay in the house. They did not have opportunities in life, their job was to have kids and take care of them and do all the chores in the house while the men had the chance to explore the world. Nowadays it has gotten better but both sexes are still not treated equal in jobs and amount getting paid.

In this country some jobs are only male jobs and they mostly don’t let women get them for example the military and industrialized jobs. I bet that women can shoot guns, obviously most of them do not prefer to but the very small that wants to should be able to are not able to. In factories it is definitely possible for women to be able to work machinery but for some reason most factory workers don’t believe the will get a well enough job done which doesn't make any sense. According to “Jobs with the Widest Pay Gaps Between Men And Women” 67.7% of them are female but the minimum salary for male is about 500 dollars more than the amount of money for a female. These are the reasons I feel women are not being treated equal to men.

Supporting Evidence: Jobs with the Widest Pay Gaps Between Men and Women (247wallst.com)
4 points

I guarantee that women can do these jobs don't know why it is listed only for men!

Supporting Evidence: Male Jobs (work.chron.com)
cloutierj18(37) Disputed
4 points

I agree that men and women are not equal in the job field but, what else makes them unequal?

3 points

Women are also loosing the fight in office. According "Why does US still have so few in office" they said that United States is 98th in the world when it comes to the percentage to women in political positions which is very low for the country. This is another reason I believe en and women are not treated equal

3 points

Your evidence is really good here, it shows that there is still gaps in pay between genders. Many other statistics on gaps in pay I'm seeing used by other people contradict each other, are unreliable, or less relevant and/or sensible.

3 points

Here is the link to my last argument Noah, this should give you all the facts I have used let me know if I have any other irrelevant facts

Supporting Evidence: Women In Office (www.thenation.com)
2 points

I completely agree with your argument, women should have the same rights as men. Jobs should not be based on what gender you are, it should be based on your mental capacity. Like for example if a women and a man both interviewed for a construction job, the man will get it. But that is just sexist they wouldn't have ever considered picking the woman over the man... and that's just wrong.

Women should have equal rights!!!

1 point

Another way that men and women are not equal is just how they are treated. For example, we read the book "Step From Heaven" which shows how Young Ju's mom is getting abused by her dad. This is another example how men are stronger than women not only physically but also they yell. This is another issue that is not good and we have to change in society. We have to make men and women equal in tis country

LathamV(14) Disputed
1 point

It's not just working machinery, it's also the conditions that some factories put their workers under. I know of one, but I will not say the name. They were having some people working 16 hour shifts. They were allowing these people to work this much in one day! That's just not right. It isn't just that females can't work machinery, obviously they can, but some of these factories are really, really bad, especially for females, to be working in. Just something for you to think about.

17 points

Today I don't think women have as much equality as men but it is way better than what it was back then. Back then women were chosen after men for jobs and made way less money too. Today it has gotten better but women are still outnumbered in congress by men and still make a little bit less. Today the 15 states that didn't ratify the 19th amendment granting women the right to vote still haven't ratified it today either. This fact says how many states take men over women.

Biddle, Tabby. "Wait, Women Don't Have Equal Rights in the United States?" The Huffington Post. TheHuffingtonPost.com, n.d. Web. 24 Jan. 2015.

6 points

This is a great argument! Women should have equal rights to women.

2 points

Sorry I meant *equal rights to men. Not women should have equal rights to women...

5 points

I agree 100% that women don't have as much equality as men but it's better than what it was back then because it was worse back in the days when women, for example, weren't allowed to vote like men did.

3 points

I agree completely. Women are slowly but surely advancing in today's society.

2 points

Yes, back then, women couldn't even vote! They had woman suffragists leaders such as Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton who did their very best to allow women the right to vote

TuanH(20) Clarified
3 points

Today do men and women have equality in sports? No, in men's sports they make a load of more money than women and are also way more popular too. Think about it, some women want to play football but is their a football team for them to join? Is it because people think they aren't tough enough? Yes, people think they're not tough enough to handle the pain but men still get hurt but it doesn't stop them from playing the game.

2 points

I like your article I just think you need more evidence. Like the exact numbers between men's and woman's sports.

adairj18(9) Clarified
3 points

I agree, do you ever think women will be equal to men? If so, when?

4 points

I do believe men and women are eventually going to be even but I'm not sure when they will get full equality though.

2 points

I like your argument and evidence. However, how does the fact that "the 15 states that didn't ratify the 19th amendment granting women the right to vote still haven't ratified it today either" relate to your claim? Just because those states didn't ratify that amendment doesn't show anything, unless you can prove that they would ratify it today (in which case you're showing how far women have come) or that the wouldn't ratify it today (which proves that there is still glaring inequality).

TuanH(20) Clarified
2 points

It does relate to my claim because I'm saying that they didn't ratify back then and they still haven't ratified now so I'm saying that those states are still unequal.

TuanH(20) Clarified
2 points

In congress there are only 99/535 women that is only 18.5%. In the senate there are only 20/100 women which is only 20%. In the house of representatives there are only 79 women which is only 18.2%. The biggest statistic however is out of all our 44 presidents we have never had a woman be president. An even shocker one is that we have also never had a woman be vice president. From these statistics it shows how men overpower women in government.

Supporting Evidence: Women in government (www.nwpc.org)
2 points

What were the 15 states? and does that really have anything to do with your point?

TuanH(20) Clarified
2 points

It has something to do with my claim because I'm saying that back then the 15 states didn't ratify and today they still haven't ratified.

16 points

If every person genuinely believed in equality, equality would exist, and there would be no need for legislation to enforce it. However, equality legislation exists. Since we wouldn't need it if there weren't people who didn't believe in equality, the laws should be designed with people trying to get around them in mind, but unfortunately, that's not how the laws are made. We need have needed to create legislation to create equality between the sexes, the legislation is flawed, and people are getting around it. Therefore, women and men are not equal in today's United States.

For an example of this, look at the well-known Title IX from the 1972 "Education Amendments:" laws to create equality among the sexes in educational and other government-sponsored environments. The only language about gender equality in the entire lengthy law is as follows: "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program." The rest of the law is exceptions to that rule, and there's nothing else to clarify or elaborate on it. What about private, non-government schools? They can still discriminate however they like; they can be all-boys schools, and that still holds true today.

Title IX provides a very flimsy basis for gender equality in education, now look at it in a place many of us know of: college athletics. In athletics, men already receive much more attention than women, putting female college athletes in a situation where they can easily be discriminated against. In 2003, the Office for Civil Rights made a clarification in which it is more or less stated that an institution in in compliance with Title IX if it meets any of the following three conditions:

(1) the percent of male and female athletes is substantially proportionate to the percent of male and female students enrolled at the school; or

(2) the school has a history and continuing practice of expanding participation opportunities for the underrepresented sex; or

(3) the school is fully and effectively accommodating the interests and abilities of the underrepresented sex.

So as long as you "fully and effectively accommodate the underrepresented sex," you're not in the wrong for having way more male than female athletes. This is just passive legislation being added to passive legislation, and anyone who does not believe in equality will be able to prevent equality without breaking the law. This brings me back to my point, that we wouldn't need to make these laws, which are common sense for anyone who wants to promote equality, if we didn't have people who don't want to promote equality. As long as the legislation is so weak, we're not criminalizing anti-equality, and men and women will continue to be unequal, whether people are trying to make them that way or not. Of course, the issue of equality complicated, and we've come quite a long way, but we still have some obvious gender inequality, all you have to see it is read our laws.

6 points

Title IX was passed in 1972. At that time, there were 170,384 male athletes participating in intercollegiate sports. The number of female athletes participating in intercollegiate sports did not reach the 170,000 mark until 2005-06. It took 33-34 years for the number to catch up to a figure from the 1970's.

The good news is, the numbers are actually close to equal now. In 2008, women made up 43% of college athletes (182,503 of them). This is up from fewer than 32,000 in 1972. It seem that in the last two decades or so, there is more belief in equality, but that belief is not universal. Those who believe in the equality legislation are actually using it as guidelines rather than just meeting it by passing some vague requirement.

1 point

I think it's wrong to have inequality in sports. Just because there are different genders doesn't mean some have to be left out. I agree that there is more belief i equality but that belief isn't universal.

4 points

I agree with you that the only way for equality is to believe in it.

4 points

I agree with everything in this! The difference in sports is the one that really makes me mad!

kait(17) Disputed
4 points

I wouldn't necessary agree that "If every person genuinely believed in equality, equality would exist" because everyone is not going to agree on everything. As long as the vast majority believes it, it should be able to actually happen. Movements should still be able to work as long as it is out in society and people will fight for it and sooner or later the people will decide how they feel about.

NoahB(30) Clarified
2 points

I agree with you. However, what I mean by "If every person genuinely believed in equality, equality would exist" is just that in this hypothetical (perfect-world) situation, equality isn't an issue because everyone practices it. Even though we don't need 100% of the population to believe in equality in order for it to exist, we still need laws to criminalize inequality because there are still people practicing it.

2 points

Yeah, I also believe that female athletics and male athletics are from the amount of percent of female applied to the school.

NoahB(30) Clarified
4 points

The way the legislation is, though, you don't have to have proportionate male and female athletic programs as long as you meet the vague condition of "fully and effectively accommodating the interests and abilities of the underrepresented sex."

2 points

I really like your article it really shows how much we still have to come in woman's rights and especially in sport's and in Title IX legislation

15 points

I think Woman have come a long way in terms of equality since the passing of the 19th amendment in 1920, but woman in the workforce especially are still treated unfair.

Today there is a record of 98 woman out of 535 people in congress. This is still a large difference in the amount of woman but the numbers are still on the rise. During world War I there was only a single woman in congress. This shows how far woman have come, but there is still a long way to go.

Another reason woman have improved is the professional sports leagues that now exist and title IX. For example the WNBA isn't even close to the popularity of the NBA , but the discrepancy isn't that overwhelmingly high. I think its just the biased that exist in sports fans that they would rather see a man rather than a woman play.

Overall, woman have come a long way, but they are far from equal.

Supporting Evidence: Woman in Congress (www.usatoday.com)
4 points

I see you're also mentioning Title IX. Sports is definitely an area where you can tell there is inequality towards women.

3 points

I completely agree with your statement, women have came a long way, but there are still many things that could be fixed. The government is a big one, as you mentioned. But how come after 44 presidents...why hasn't a women been elected? Why is america sexist, when it comes to the leaders of our nation?

hausere18(27) Clarified
2 points

I just think that if there were more woman in power positions like congress, or fortune 500 companies had more woman held positions than this would be less of an issue. However, it just seems almost inevitable that men are more likely to hold these positions because of how our society is like. I think if we just see woman as just as capable as men then this will be less of an issue.

1 point

The numbers show that woman earn a lot less than men, I think it is just general perception of them that gets misconceived, that hey are weaker and inferior, which is simply not true. A lot of times their production can be higher than men because they are more professional in the work place.

Supporting Evidence: femaleincomedesparity (en.wikipedia.org)
11 points

On average in 2010, women only made 77 cents to every dollar a man earned.(gender). Even tho the US has made leaps from women not being able to vote, to being able , some still are not treated equal to men. Women have also been able to get jobs in the work place.In the past they were to stay in the house and take care of house work, tend to children and cook.

"Gender Inequality and Women in the Workplace." Gender Inequality and Women in

the Workplace. N.p., n.d. Web. 23 Jan. 2015

4 points

This should change because it isn't fair to women. Women should earn equal pay as men do so they can make a living if without a family or husband.

4 points

I think that no matter your gender you should be paid equal, the performance out of a employee doesn't depend on what gender they are, but on how hard and productive they are.

adairj18(9) Disputed
1 point

Yes, I agree, but that isn't how it based right now. You have to remember women get 77 cents compared to every dollar men earn. Right now, it isn't based on how hard you work but instead if you are a man or woman.

2 points

The difference in amount of people who attend male sports compared to women in astronomical, the pay differential is also not even close. The highest NBA 2014-15 salary is 23,500,000 and that is for Kobe Bryant. The total league wages for all WNBA is 10,368,000. Kobe Bryant makes more then double what the WNBA pays out for its players every year.

1 point

I think eventually both men and women will be treated equally

7 points

Since day one men always have been "superior" over women. As being a women, I know we are always known as the weaker link, that we aren't as strong as men. But we should have equal rights! The government says we are equal, but yet manly men are in the government. Of course they are going to say we are equal because they want America to be balanced; or being in agreement. Women now a day are treated like trash. Men shouldn't have the right to abuse women nor should we, but women are just trying to fight back in a man powered world. Women don't get fair options to get a job either. Did you know in the directing business, that for every 15 men, there is one woman director? This is so true, women don't get dream jobs as easily. Almost every business, they would pick a man over a women. America should stop being sexist, and support women & equally.

Supporting Evidence: For ever 15 men there is one woman director (jezebel.com)
nickw(15) Disputed
5 points

although I agree with you on the matter of inequality in america, i disagree on the fact that only women are abused. Men face similar issues even if less common.

Destiny-A(26) Clarified
1 point

I said that women are just trying to fight back for there rights.

4 points

I agree that women have been known as the weaker link and should have equal rights now. I just disagree that women now-a-days are treated like trash.

cloutierj18(37) Disputed
3 points

I agree with most of your argument, but I would say that it is a little too far to say that women are "treated like trash." Although we are not all treated the same, women aren't treated like trash.

Destiny-A(26) Disputed
1 point

But what about the women who are abused or raped? Some men don't care what they do to women... and many get away with horrific acts.

6 points

Men and women should be made equal because even though we are" separate but equal" women are still differentiated from men in the public life and in jobs. Higher paying jobs are more likely to be given to men over women because people believe that men can do the job better and more affectively. The U.S government should change the perspective that is held on women to create every human being equal with equal work, pay and treatment.

Supporting Evidence: women in the workpalce (hbr.org)
2 points

I agree with you , when you mentioned the "separate but equal" i think that really made your argument good!

6 points

The equality of men and women in today's society is not balanced. We see an example of this in the workplace especially. A 2013 study concluded that in almost every occupation in the U.S. women earn 78 cents for every dollar that men earn. This is a wage gap of 22%. This is astonishing considering that in 4/10 families in the U.S. women are the main support for the family's basic needs, and they receive more graduate and college degrees than men.

Supporting Evidence: Pay Equality and Discrimination for Women (www.iwpr.org)
3 points

I agree with your statement, America should help equal out the pay for women.

1 point

Women cannot advance in the workplace without men. This is because 95% of CEO positions and 85% of all executive positions in fortune 500 companies are held by men. This data makes it very hard for women to advance in the workplace if they don't have the support of the men currently in those positions.

Supporting Evidence: Gaining Equality for Women in the Workplace (www.huffingtonpost.com)
6 points

Chloe Nedds

I believe that women today are discriminated against in America. Women are mostly discriminated against in the workplace. They sometimes will not make as much money as other males especially when men and women are first starting out in new workplaces.

Supporting Evidence: Discrimination Against Women (nobullying.com)
4 points

Yes, the work place is probably the most common place where men and women aren't equal.

4 points

Yes, the work place is probably the most common place where men and women aren't equal.

3 points

I totally agree! Women are always passed up or jobs because they are seen as weaker and inferior to men.

neddsc18(12) Clarified
3 points

http://www.iwpr.org/initiatives/pay-equity-and-discrimination

Here is another article to back up my original argument.

neddsc18(12) Clarified
2 points

Women are not only shown inequality in the workplace, but in sports also. Men have somewhat dominated sports in America. When watching sports channels, you are more likely to hear about the male basketball team then the female basketball team.

Supporting Evidence: Sports Inequality (www.la84.org)
6 points

In the past, women have filled the roles of parent and housewife. Nowadays, however, women are making great strides in professional careers and the sciences. Although men and women may not be given equal job opportunities yet, society is starting to recognize women as being “equal” to men.

One example of this can be found in our own community. Two years ago, a math/science day for girls only was held at MSU. The day consisted of four selected courses that exposed many fields of science such as entomology. Institutions all over the country are now creating similar programs to inspire future women.

LathamV(14) Disputed
2 points

How does this still recognize women being equal to men if these are women-only courses? How would we know who is better? Are there more of these in men-only schools with the same courses at the same level of difficulty? How could we be equal if no females go head-to-head against the males with the knowledge females have now been granted to learn?

AnjiniC(40) Disputed
1 point

The courses for women only were designed to inspire women to pursue the sciences. This does not mean that the courses are trying to discriminate against men; they are simply trying to get women to develop an interest in science. Most men already have this incentive, and do not need an extra push in the right direction. The science courses for women also encourage them to overcome precedents not set for men.

1 point

This is an example of a website dedicated to supporting women in science:

http://www.awis.org/

5 points

Carolyn Harron

I do not think women have equal rights. Like it says in the article, the United States Constitution still does not provide women with the same rights as men. It has been almost a century later since we were granted the right to vote, so why aren't we equal?

Supporting Evidence: unequal rights (eraeducationproject.com)
5 points

Women and men are somewhat equal in the United States. They aren't separated in public so that women have to be in a certain spot away from men, but they aren't exactly treated as equally as the men. When women won the right to vote in 1920, it's said that the next step was suppose to be full equality for women under the Constitution, but it's 2015 now and it still hasn't happened since the United States Constitution still doesn't provide women with the same rights as men.

Supporting Evidence: Don't Men and Women Already Have Equal Rights in America? (eraeducationproject.com)
5 points

In some areas yes men and women are equal but there are many circumstances where women fall below men. For example sports, from lacrosse to baseball/softball sports are made “safer and easier” for women. We are all human, no matter if a man or a woman gets hit with a ball it is going to have the same damage. My other topic is “ladylike behavior”. People have higher standards for women like personal hygiene. In ends men and women should just be treated equal, we are all human.

1 point

I agree with this! Men and women have different stereotypes that there suppose to fill and as society changes more and more the stereotypes become less and less accurate.

4 points

In my opinion, equality should be achieved for women. This is because many women go through hard work and make their goals as high as men, but only are able to get to a certain point due to not only the way that they are treated, but it is because we think that they can’t do anything to help our society, but they can because they are not weak. They are strong, and we need them to get where we want to, and have to, but without them, this will not and can not happen.

-Deniz Kalfa 1/26/15

3 points

I very much agree with you, women should have equal rights compared to men.

1 point

Women, have been in the work force as long as men have, but have not been achieving the same results as men. This is because of the feedback that they have been receiving has been mostly negative. They should get what us men receive but alas, they don't.

-Deniz Kalfa 1/27/15

harronc18(1) Disputed
2 points

What feedback was received that makes them not achieve the same results as men? Where is your evidence?

alaabairm(19) Disputed
1 point

I agree with Carolyn, what evidence do you have that they get negative feedback and what do men receive that women don't in the workforce.

1 point

Yes Deniz, I agree very much about what you're saying. It's truly not the government fault anymore, they did all they could do It really comes down to the choices women make, our economy is not sexist. Women are thought to being looked down upon on economic standards but that's because of them quitting and taking care of their families.

1 point

The reason that women have been receiving prejudice in the work world is because they never had the chance to work in the first place. In the industrialization era of the United States, very few women were working in the same categories as men, because many people didn't think of them "worthy" enough.

-Deniz Kalfa 1/29/15

0 points

Women receive prejudice in the work world and discrimination. There is a false stereotype in the work world that states that women are weak, but here are some of the facts of why people sometimes believe this:

-Women make up 46% of the workforce.

-59% of these women workers only receive less than $8 per hour.

-Deniz Kalfa 1/28/15

Supporting Evidence: 10 Surprising Facts on Women in the Workplace (www.collegetimes.tv)
4 points

I think that there is inequality in the USA. It is proven that women makee less then men.

nickw(15) Clarified
2 points

On average women made 23% less than men in 2010. I believe the only way to fix this issue is for people to change their perspective and remain unbiased.

1 point

I agree; I also think that the owner's of the jobs should pay women equally because it's unfair to pay the men more. Just because the gender's are different doesn't mean the women have to get paid less.

4 points

I definitely believe that women have come a long way from how things used to be. But I believe that things between men and women are still not equal. It has changed from when women were being totally ignored in society to then if they were married they were their husband's property and couldn't do anything without getting their permission first. I think that the 19th amendment didn’t come soon enough. Women had been fighting for that right for too long. Women have been fighting for their freedom and right to vote for a long time and once they got the right to vote, people were still treating them anything but equal. Today I still believe men and women are still not equal. Most men still get paid more for the most part and are favored over woman in many job positions or other positions.

2 points

In many countries, it is easier for a man to divorce their wife then it is for women to divorce their husband. This is a great example of why men and women are not equal.

Supporting Evidence: Examples of Gender Inequality (listverse.com)
2 points

There was a study done in 83 countries that found that women earn 10%-30% less than men. In 2010 the U.S had women working full-time still earned only 77% of the male wage.

Supporting Evidence: woman are better off today, but still not equal (www.theguardian.com)
1 point

I agree with your statement. Yes women are still treated unequally but we have come a long way. There are more women going into professions that were previously held by only men, such as careers in science and joining the military. They are breaking the stereotype that says that their only job is to take care of the house and raise children.

1 point

Recent neurological studies show how men and women’s brains differ when communicating, when under stress, and when reducing stress. There definitely a different between the genders based on physical abilities, but that doesn't mean that men have to be superior to women just because they are stronger and have different stress levels and hormones. It shouldn't matter. If a woman wants to be tough and wants to do physical work she should be able too and get paid the same as a man.

Supporting Evidence: Gender Differences (www.yourtango.com)
4 points

Women and men are by far unequal in the American society. Men are physically stronger and more demanding when it comes to job opportunities, which makes men have higher paying jobs than women. You see men with jobs such as engineering, business and computer science. With women, it's more likely to see them in jobs such as nurses, and teachers. Secondly, men have more full-time job opportunities then women. Women tend to take part-time jobs because they eventually want to be the stay home moms that take well care of their children. While men on the other hand, don't have to require that responsibility resulting for more work and higher wages. Lastly, men are more likely to be in big sports such as basketball, football, and soccer while they get paid millions a year! On the other hand, women who participate in these sports only earn thousands a year. Overall, it doesn't come down to if our economy is sexist but the choices and sacrifices women have to make to better their lives.

4 points

I feel like Woman can have just has high paying job it all just depends on how you receive that equality. If we perceive a woman interviewing for a job the same we see a man then this would not be an issue. However living in the society that we live in this is not always a possibility. That is why you see woman earning 78 cents on the dollar of what men earn. I don't think it is possible to eliminate this prejudice in our society, but we can certainly try. It all just starts with our society and if everyone sees woman as equals than is likely that employers will pay woman higher wages and higher them more.

hausere18(27) Clarified
3 points

What I'm trying to say is I don't think men and woman are equal, I just think woman should get equal consideration as men do in the workplace and in schools.

4 points

I think that women nowadays have to overcome the precedents set by past generations (such as the fact that women are "weak"). It is certainly possible; take women in the twenties for instance. While men were fighting in WW1, women took over their jobs and performed them successfully. This alerted the government to the capabilities of women, and women won the right to vote. There are many successful women in the present; people simply have to pay attention to their accomplishments.

4 points

Men and women are not fully equal in todays society, as much as we would like it to think they are. Men, to some extent, are considered by most to be "stronger" and "more capable". I, personally don't think like this, however, there are those who do. For an example--a boy, or man, wearing a dress would be ill-accepted in society. A girl, or woman, who has short hair might be also ill-accepted in society.

1 point

I love these examples. I quite agree, for I have somewhat had this experience.

3 points

Today in the United States, I think that they are unequal. For example, even though wages may have increased over the past years men's wages are still higher. According to the Boston Globe average wages for men are $860 and the average wage for women is about $706. This shows that still men an women aren't equal today in the United States.

Supporting Evidence: Despite gains, women still lag in workplace equality (www.bostonglobe.com)
3 points

Awesome evidence and I quite agree. I've heard the same thing, but I didn't know before what I know now about the prices.

3 points

Currently, Men and Women don’t appear to be equal, but they should be. There is a problem growing in society; the negative influences on females and the growing negative influences toward males. These influences give very negative impressions about both genders. Some, for the females, are that we should be skinny, have long hair, wear tight clothes, and more things like that, but others are even more negative and directed toward females in daily life. Most of these factors are offencive. Some of them may be true, but some, for some people, are very untrue yet still associated with being a female. These are things such as females being uneducated, weak, and not worth much more than just to use us females for personal gain. What so many people don’t realize, though is that many girls are just as strong as guys, and some are stronger. Just because some girls don’t have long hair, or don’t wear tight clothes, doesn’t make them any less equal to any other female or male. It is time to stop being so critical of females and of each other. Let us, the females, be equal to every other female and every male in the United States.

2 points

Influences on males are also issues of inequality among people in America. There is a picture created for men that males have to be big and strong and have to be the ones to get all the money to support themselves and their family. Really, though, there is no reason for people to be someone they are not, nor claiming that others are not as they should be, such as what happens with these kinds of stereotypes against people. Against each other. These stereotypes need to stop. We should all have the right to claim what we think is right or wrong. First amendment; freedom of speech. How often are women allowed free speech to “higher ranking” men? How often are women allowed free speech to their work boss about demanding higher pay, or in doing so, do women have an increased chance in getting fired? Women and men should have the same rights as each other.

2 points

The last thing I will point out about the inequality between men and women is the factor of education. Not only in America, but all around the world. According to Dr. Nelly Stromquist’s “Better, Yet Still Unequal” in America, more women graduate college than men in the top 25% of the earning distribution, while in the poorer families or middle class, there is almost no advantage for women. In my opinion, this needs to be change and women need to start being more aggressive in bringing this to people’s attention. It isn’t quite that, in America, women don’t have the right to education, it’s more that those with less money struggle so much more than those with more money to be able to go to and complete college. It shouldn’t be a struggle to get the education you need, yet it is for about 75% of America. We need change in America. Some men have an easier time with their education and getting money because there are more jobs and job positions available to them. For women, there aren’t as many jobs available to earn money and yet we are still expected to be able to pull through college and get a job like everyone else. Just like all men. How can we do this if there are not as many jobs available to women, when women are perceived as weak and inferior, and when there is still racial discrimination and unequal pay between all women and all men? The rights women have, the influence, the stereotypes, the prejudice against women must all stop. Time can’t be rewritten, but the labor laws and rights can be changed. So why not we change these? Why can’t we? Why won’t we? Women have just as much say in this world as men do. We are just as much human. Thinking women are inferior is a mistake, but it will only be noticed when more and more women finally rise up and fight for our rights. When we finally rise up and fight for equal job positions and wages.

1 point

Both male and female influences and stereotypes are not the only stereotypes, though. There are also still stereotypes against African American, Hispanic, and other races of people, by people in America. Catherine Hill, Ph. D. wrote a blog with her entries being primarily about females and males earning different wages, but more importantly, there is also racial discrimination and unequal pay to those of a different race. Those who are Hispanic or Latina earn the highest pay compared to men of a race/ethnicity while they gain the lowest pay of 53% compared to the pay of white men. African-American women are equal to the Hispanics’ pay, both with 89% of the earnings of men of a race/ethnicity, but only 64% of a white man’s pay. White women, however, only receive 78% from both ethnic men and white men. I thought we were past all the racial discrimination, but it looks like we aren’t done yet. This must stop. Everyone is as much human as everyone else. Why can’t we all be equal, too? There is no point in leaving the pay of ethnic people lower than those who are Caucasian. There is even less point in discriminating against women, constantly holding us back and never letting us show people what women can do. There is no fairness, nor equality, in giving females a fraction of male pay.

1 point

The unequal pay is not the only issue of the inequality between men and women. The other part of unfairness in jobs is some women are able to handle certain jobs while other women are unable to, but at the same time, men are able to handle jobs, such as factory jobs, and some are not. There are some jobs, such as being a teacher, especially in an elementary school, where a teacher should be somewhat delicate toward the children, and some men can’t do that, but some women can. At the same time, some men are better at these jobs than women. This reflects on my previous argument that the pay is unequal, so why, if women do better at a job and work more effectively than men, can’t both men and women have equal pay, as well as the same chance at a job as each other? To add to this, in some jobs, one can be promoted to a manager, but in these jobs, men are the ones who take these jobs so much more often. The people who are in charge of these jobs don’t support women to prove that we can handle these positions. Women may be allowed to try, but we just don’t end up being promoted. This is not fair at all. This has to change.

3 points

For the past fifty years women have been and still are discriminated against in the U.S.,mostly in the workforce. Women earn less than men in most occupations, yet they make up over half of the workforce. The gender wage gap has been improving at such a slow pace that by 2058 women will finally reach equal pay and I think this should change.

Supporting Evidence: Pay Equity and Discrimination (www.iwpr.org)
3 points

Many years ago, when our country was formed, women were treated as being inferior when compared to men. For instance women were not granted the right to vote until the 19th amendment was passed in 1920. Prior to WW2, a women wouldn’t even be considered for most jobs that were filled by a man. One positive thing that resulted from the war was that women were needed in the workforce. After the war, they were recognized as being critical to the economy and the war effort as a whole. Since then the progress has been slow, but steady. Today women could fill nearly any job that a man performed. Women have been making steady gains in executive officer positions board seats in major corporations, and in our Congress. From the 2012 U.S. labor force statistics, women comprised 51.5 percent of mangement, professional and related positions. Despite all of these gains, women hold only 14.6 percent of executive officer positions in the fortune 500 companies. Also, while 57.7 percent of all women 18 years or older work, that is far smaller than the 70.2 percent of men that work. ( Many would point out that a certain percentage of women choose motherhood over a career.) Unfortunately, today women still only earn 82.2 percent of what men earn. While some of this wage disparity can be explained by interruptions in a woman's workforce precipitation, the balance proves that there is still a wage gap between a man and a women. I believe in my lifetime that women will continue to close the gender wage gap and executive employment gap with men, and eventually be treated as a complete equal.

2 points

Women are almost 50 percent of the workforce but still are not earning as much as men. More women even graduate from college each year then men, yet men still earn more. Studies in 2012 show a inequality wage gap of 22 percent of how much men earned compared to women. What do you call this? Discrimination? Fair? When two people are doing the exact same job and not earning the same amount, that is not fair! Women have to fight for everything they earn; for example the 19th Amendment.

3 points

I think women have come a long way in terms of equality but they are still not equal with men. Women are said to be equal but some women still aren't employed like men are. Women should be equal with men. If the country says all are created equal then we should be equal.

nickw(15) Disputed
3 points

I agree that women aren't as equal, especially not in the work place. I found that on average women only make 77 cents to every dollar a man makes. What have you found that proves your argument.

CreagerA Clarified
2 points

Also I don't think that women will not always be equal in some way to men

2 points

This is the site that supports my argument. It shows the rate of employment of men to women by age and sex

Supporting Evidence: employment rate of men to women (www.bls.gov)
3 points

Women and men are somewhat equal. I think this because women and men's jobs are different. Like some people for certain jobs are require a certain sex. Women get paid less. My opinion is that women face a lot of difficulty throughout life.

1 point

Guys a superior to women. They are physically stronger, etc...

3 points

I think that men have always been more superior in society and amount of money earned. In politics it has always been dominated by men, so maybe we should have a change and let women have a little more power in the government. I think they deserve to be treated better because women are just as smart and trustful as men.

nathanto(23) Disputed
1 point

I strongly would have to disagree. When it comes to government, such as a president it matters by the VOTERS not the government. It's not their fault that the voters want men to be our president, it's the voters fault.

romanj(5) Disputed
1 point

Actually, some voters would like a female president. I would also assume that many women have wanted to become president, but the male candidates voted them out. This, therefore, shows that a woman would be just as capable as president, but they simply are not "normal" for presidency.

3 points

We have to remember though how unfair the rights used to be between men and women. Thankfully many things have changed! Although there are some things that could be made more equal between the sexes, at least it isn't as bad as it has been in previous years.

3 points

In my personal opinion men and women are equal , men are portrayed as being more stronger and dependent but in reality are irresponsible and impulsive. I personally believe that women can do exactly what men can but society does not agree. for example there men and women who do the same sports, activities and also cook so this is why I think they are equal.

adairj18(9) Disputed
3 points

If you think they are equal than why are men always President? And why are men sports already more advanced and women sports are now just starting to advance?

2 points

These are great questions! You can't exactly say that men and women are equal when there haven't been any women to be presidents

2 points

I agree with you. Womens sports are not given enough attention. When people talk about sports they never really mention the women's teams and the playoff games do not get nearly as much attention as the men's, especially in basketball.

adallas7(27) Clarified
3 points

Yes men and women do the same sports, but why is it that men's sports are always made to be more physical, why can't they just be the same?

5 points

I think that men's sports are more "physical" because men are usually physically stronger than women. This fits in with some macho ideas about sports. However, it is not fair to compare the abilities of players across genders.

adallas7(27) Clarified
2 points

kareem,

what evidence do you have tat makes men and women equal? I know this is your opinion, but you need facts to support it.

2 points

There may not be a woman president , but it is incredibly likely that one will be voted in in the near future.

nathanto(23) Disputed
0 points

Not exactly. Especially when it comes to sports, you see on commercials famous basketball players such as LeBron James and Kobe Bryant who get paid millions just to be in that commercial. When the famous male superstars in sports such as basketball, football, and baseball sign with a company like Nike, or under Armour, they get paid millions on the contract. On the other hand, in the Women's NBA, they're barely and fans at the game, the most high-paid player get 1 million a year and they have no commercials, and barely sign with huge companies. The most high-paid player in the NBA gets paid close to 30 million a year!

LathamV(14) Disputed
1 point

Then should something change, or do you think women and men should stay unequal?

3 points

“Gender Equality”

Financially, according to research by the Center for American Progress (CAP), the average woman earns 77 cents for every dollar the average man makes. What does that say about workplace discrimination? Next to nothing. In fact when comparing equal pay for equal work, a female worker with the same experience from the same school with the same dedication earns about 98 cents for every dollar a man in the same job earns. So what happened to that huge gap? Research indicates that while men tend to choose degrees out of financial and status reasons, women tend to pick jobs for the future or enjoyment. Furthermore men are more likely to choose jobs of high risk or inconsistent payment than women, such as law, construction, foresting. Also women take more sick and vacation days than their male counterparts. Especially if they plan to have children. This costs them five to ten years of experience that a single or childless female would have gained. Which in turn puts them behind the curve of the entirety of the job force. However studies also show that mothers work more efficiently and handle stress better (on average) than single or childless workers. Problems and controversies in the today’s world (in the U.S.) are almost entirely based off of misinformation or the idea of comparative work. Comparative work is the idea that two different jobs with similar environments, conditions and hours should be equal. The problem is; it doesn't account for demand, experience, or overtime. Finally, regardless of the reasons, whether scared of consequences, lack of will or pure ineptitude, women rarely ever push for high salaries or bonuses. Leaving them in the dust, when men push fervently for larger salaries. In conclusion, from a financial part of view women are about as equal as it’s possible to be (in the U.S.).

When it comes to rights and general culture beliefs it’s a different story, but also one much harder to judge. As far as rights go in the majority of European-based or Anglo-Saxon women tend to have the same rights as a male of similar background. They also receive many benefits in the form of tradition. That same tradition as well as stereotyping limits them. In many of today’s cultures in our country, it is seen as the noble or chivalrous when men pay for food, open doors etc… Because of this, women are more often perceived as calm and collected but weaker on a whole. While that is proven by research and genetics to be true, it shouldn't be limiting nearly as much as it is. Since the passage of Title IX in 1972, women have gained ground in their fight for equality from an academic and athletic point of view. Most of the still occurring bias towards female competition is a societal view, and cannot nor will ever be impacted by the government (or any attempt to force change) immediately. In reality, for the majority of major cultures the rights issue is not so much a political problem as a religious or cultural one. If you take a step back and look around the world, civil issues become much more defined, but not always worse. The loss of choice is not always as terrible as it appears. Choice however, is still a powerful motivation and will continue to become a major topic in debates everywhere. This cultural mindset is proven historically as well. In places where women had a lot of power like Greece and Rome. Women continue to have the same powers and rights as they do in their offspring today.

When it comes to equality on the whole, it truly is the same opportunities. Today in what are typically considered the “civilized” countries women have the same rights and choices as men. Even when it comes down to status and power, the two genders are practically equal. For every gain that men receive in history they suffer a loss, and the same applies to women. It always comes back to common sayings; The grass is always greener on the other side.

Title IX

77 Cents

4 points

Recent studies also show that men are far more likely to work overtime then women. In the same job with the same experience women work about 37 hours per week. Men, on the other hand, work about 45 hours week. This additional time on job totals up to over 400 hours per year. During the average occupational time on job this is over 12,000 hours of difference. This has a huge affect on experience and general knowledge. It is a direct cause of promotions, bonuses, and benefits. The most obvious cause is for women to start working more similar hours. Any other attempt would not be equal pay for equal work. It would benefit only those people who did not work extra hours. In turn this would lower work ethic and slow our economy. This would result in a pseudo communist society where job experience and amount of hours spent working would do nothing. Only pure job occupation would result in anything. If the best surgeon in the world received as much pay as the worst, there would be no point in trying.

2 points

Yes, I totally agree with you. Studies have shown men have the tendency to be more hard-working then woman, which allows them to have higher salaries. You also have to understand, woman have responsibilities when it comes to cleaning, cooking, and taking care of their children. While men aren't exactly responsible to work around the house, only working hard and providing the food and care for the family.

adairj18(9) Disputed
2 points

If you think women and men are equal, then why do women only get payed 77 or 98 (depending on job) cents for every dollar men get? If men and women are equal first of all, they should all get payed the same amount of money. And, if it's the same opportunities, why did woman have to fight for the 19th Amendment when men got it granted without fighting for? I think your argument is more of an opinion than a fact.

Titus(3) Disputed
2 points

The average woman earns 77 cents for every dollar the average man earns. When working the same job with the same experience woman earn 95-101% of what a man would earn. Secondly what you're referring to with everyone getting payed the same amount is communism. And it doesn't work. Nor will it ever. Having a right to vote does not effect what job you choose. Furthermore the American Revolution was a pretty big fight for independence from Britain and the right to vote. Afterwards we messed up for 200 years, but our independence is not something that wasn't fought for. Does that women are completely equal? No. However when it comes to chance, opportunity and finance, men and women are equal. Not pursuing knowledge in a particular field is due to personal choice or sheer ignorance, not inequality.

adairj18(9) Disputed
2 points

If you think women and men are equal, then why do women only get payed 77 or 98 (depending on job) cents for every dollar men get? If men and women are equal first of all, they should all get payed the same amount of money. And, if it's the same opportunities, why did woman have to fight for the 19th Amendment when men got it granted without fighting for? I think your argument is more of an opinion than a fact.

NoahB(30) Disputed
2 points

If "women rarely ever push for high salaries or bonuses," and they have the same opportunities as men, why aren't they bushing for the salaries and bonuses? If you're not asking for something because you think you're less likely to receive it than someone else who deserves it just as much as you, don't you have an unequal opportunity.

3 points

I feel people should focus on ability rather then gender. Also when a woman makes a mistake it's in her reputation forever, but when men make a mistake it's just forgotten about.

3 points

this is about gender equality in the whole world, but many circumstances happen in the US as well.

Viedo
2 points

Many years ago, when our country was formed, women were treated as being inferior when compared to men. For instance women were not granted the right to vote until the 19th amendment was passed in 1920. Prior to WW2, a women wouldn’t even be considered for most jobs that were filled by a man. One positive thing that resulted from the war was that women were needed in the workforce. After the war, they were recognized as being critical to the economy and the war effort as a whole. Since then the progress has been slow, but steady. Today women could fill nearly any job that a man performed. Women have been making steady gains in executive officer positions board seats in major corporations, and in our Congress. From the 2012 U.S. labor force statistics, women comprised 51.5 percent of mangement, professional and related positions. Despite all of these gains, women hold only 14.6 percent of executive officer positions in the fortune 500 companies. Also, while 57.7 percent of all women 18 years or older work, that is far smaller than the 70.2 percent of men that work. ( Many would point out that a certain percentage of women choose motherhood over a career.) Unfortunately, today women still only earn 82.2 percent of what men earn. While some of this wage disparity can be explained by interruptions in a woman's workforce precipitation, the balance proves that there is still a wage gap between a man and a women. I believe in my lifetime that women will continue to close the gender wage gap and executive employment gap with men, and eventually be treated as a complete equal.

adairj18(9) Clarified
3 points

With that, this shows women are just as well suited for these types of jobs as men are because, when the men go to war the women have to cover these types of jobs. ( industrial, workforce jobs ) Yes, one day women will be equal to men. But, men will ALWAYS think they are stronger, and more athletic than women.

1 point

When you think of gender roles, most people feel that women are the ones to stay at home and take care of the children and clean and cook, while men are out working. The percentage of women in the U.S. that are stay at home moms is 29% and the percent of stay at home dads is 32%. This proves that women are working their way into business more than men are.

1 point

In my opinion, men and women are not equal at all. Men are looked at as the stronger, more dominate man in the relationship if there is on . The gap between men and women equality has grown immensely in the past 20 years.

Supporting Evidence: Gender Gap (fortune.com)
1 point

For those saying men and women are equal, what are your facts???

0 points

Women and men are by far unequal in the American society. Men are physically stronger and more demanding when it comes to job opportunities, which makes men have higher paying jobs than women. You see men with jobs such as engineering, business and computer science. With women, it's more likely to see them in jobs such as nurses, and teachers. Secondly, men have more full-time job opportunities then women. Women tend to take part-time jobs because they eventually want to be the stay home moms that take well care of their children. While men on the other hand, don't have to require that responsibility resulting for more work and higher wages. Lastly, men are more likely to be in big sports such as basketball, football, and soccer while they get paid millions a year! On the other hand, women who participate in these sports only earn thousands a year. Overall, it doesn't come down to if our economy is sexist but the choices and sacrifices women have to make to better their lives.

adairj18(9) Disputed
5 points

You're saying men usually take the full time jobs, but your example for woman jobs was a nurse and a teacher. Those are both full time jobs!!